kuda | Sarah's opinion, Freddie's opinion and my opinion

Fandom has been in an uproar since Sarah Michelle
Gellar gave her opinion on Angel vs Spike. Now Sarah's
husband has spoken as well.

Freddie Prinze Jr. has committed the ultimate TV sin:
"I've never seen Buffy the Vampire Slayer."

Though he's married to Buffy herself, Sarah Michelle Gellar,
Prinze, who makes his return to Fox's Bones in tonight's episode,
admitted to E! News that he's only seen one episode (Once More With Feeling)
of the beloved cult hit. "Oh, you can judge. That's fine, I don't care," he said after
we shamed him for missing out on Joss Whedon's masterpiece.
"It wasn't written for my demographic, so I never saw it."

Prinze did weigh in on the everlasting Angel (David Boreanaz)
vs. Spike (James Marsters) debate, which recently resurfaced in a big way
when Gellar revealed she's team "ANGEL," (all-caps!) in a Reddit AMA.
"I would have to go Angel, just because he's tougher and he always won,"
Prinze said with a laugh. "I know he always won, so I'm going with the winner."

Source

Frankly, I think most of this is all a PR movement. Sarah has been all over
the media since she began her new show, The Crazy Ones. Sarah avoided
doing much in fandom till 2008 when she did the Paley Center reunion. At
that time she was trying to get a new show on TV. After a failed pilot for cable,
The Wonderful Maladys, and her short term, Ringer, Sarah has learned to use
Twitter and other media to spotlight her career. She, Freddie and David are
friends who are pimping each other. That's my opinion. There have been
photos and articles all over about them talking about each other. Freddie
has another episode on Bones this week.

It's clear Freddie didn't watch ATS either. Otherwise he would know Spike
beat Angel in the last year of the show. Even Angel stated Spike beat him
for the first time because he wanted it more.

To me, Spike was the long haul guy. Angel was all about his own journey to
becoming a Champion. When he was first shown Buffy just before she found
out about being the Slayer, he decided to get his act together and out of the
shadows. To me, he saw Buffy as his prize and reason to be a hero. Spike
wasn't like that. He came to love Buffy due to herself and not what she could
help him become. Spike stayed in Sunnydale after Buffy's death. He made a
promise to a lady and kept it.

Angel went to monastery in Sri Lanka. When he came back he was doing his
hero act and ran into a vampire from his past. He stakes Elisabeth. Then James,
who had been with Elisabeth since Darla and Angelus were together, comes after Angel.
James stalks the ATS group, he dies due to having his heart removed so
he could walk in the sun to go after Angel and his crew. Angel and Cordy have
a talk about Buffy's death and Angel feels about it.

Cordy: "And how about you?"
Angel: "I'm o..."

Cordy: "And don't say 'okay.' Angel, please. I know you. Ever since you've come
back from your grief trip I can tell that something's not right. And, and *obviously*
it's not. - Buffy's - dead, and I don't mean to diminish that. I miss her too. - I just
wanna say - I know that James with all his Romeo and Juliet madness, opened
up a lot of wounds for you, but you'll be okay."

Angel: "I am okay."
Cordy: "Then - what's the problem?"

Angel: "That I'm okay. That losing Buffy didn't kill me. That I could deal with it. -
In all those years - no one ever mattered. Not like she did. - And now she's gone - forever."

Cordy: "And you're still here."
Angel: "Yeah. I just feel like I'm betraying her somehow."

Cordy: "No! If you were a loser, if you were some sick obsessed vampire,
you'd go to a Snod demon, or whatever, and get your heart cut out. But you're
not! You're a living, breathing... Well, living, anyway - good guy, whose still fighting
and trying to help people, and that's not betraying her, that's honoring her."

Angel: "You think?"
Cordy: "I'm Cordelia. I don't think. I know. Okay?"
Cordy gives him a big grin, which draws a small smile in response.
Angel: "Okay."
Cordy: "So - can we get back to work now?"

Angel: "Yeah. Sure. - There's work?"

So Angel is okay and goes back to his unlife and his new crew.
Even when Buffy comes back, he meets her and nothing much
changes for them.

I think Cordy says it best when she explains Buffy and Angel to
Doyle. In I Will Remember You, Buffy comes to LA to confront Angel
about spying on her during BTVS Pangs Season four Episode eight.

Doyle: "So? Don't they deserve a little happiness after all they've been through?"

Cordy sighs: "Let me explain the lore here, okay? They suffer, they fight. That's
business as usual. They get groiny with each other, the world as we know it falls apart."

Doyle: "Well, he's not cursed anymore. And anyway, you can't be sure that they're.."

Cordy: "Oh, please! They've got the forbidden love of all time. They have been apart
for months. Now he's suddenly human? I'm sure they are down there just having tea and crackers."

For me Buffy and Angel are young romantic love that they both have built up to be legendary and
would never survive in daily life. Spike and Buffy are the real deal. They aren't pretty or sweet, but
very real. They support each other and work side by side. They are stronger together not a danger
in the making as Buffy and Angel often are. Just my own opinion.

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Thank you - hadn't seen the Freddie link, but that was well said - Angel was a lurker, while Spike got into the relationship, for good or bad (and, yes, he stayed)

Long live Spuffy

None of the actors' opinions sway me. Even James says Spike wasn't good enough for Buffy. I think Seeing Red hurt James more than the rest of the cast. Sarah hated the turn of the relationship between Buffy and Spike in Season Six. She didn't like how dirty wrong it appeared. It bothered her that young girls would see that. She doesn't seem to understand how many fans related to the depression that Buffy went through and found strength to deal with their own. That Season touched so many lives in fandom.

I had never really connected the pain that James suffered filming Seeing Red with his belief that Spike wasn't good enough for Buffy.

Funny how I knew those 2 facts yet never added the two together before *g* ... Every season was set to cope with varying parts of life we all go through, at whatever age.

James should remember that Spike actually went to get his soul when he "hurt the girl" ... what more can a girl want than someone who goes beyond their nature?

James said after filming Seeing Red, he had to go to therapy. It messed with his emotions so badly. James is clear he believes Buffy is too go for Spike.

The more I think about the last days of Sunnydale, I can't blame Spike for not believing that Buffy didn't love him. They spent an amazing night together that he admitted scared him because he had never been close to anyone like that before. Then hours later he sees Buffy kissing Angel. She sends Angel away and gives the amulet to Spike. He feels she doesn't love him and he wants to make a difference by being the one to wear the amulet. He knows it's dangerous and doesn't want her to wear it. He feels like this is his moment to protect her and save lives. Nobel as can be, but sad since he doesn't believe her words of love.

For me Buffy and Angel are young romantic love that they both have built up to be legendary and would never survive in daily life. Spike and Buffy are the real deal. They aren't pretty or sweet, but very real. They support each other and work side by side. They are stronger together not a dangerin the making as Buffy and Angel often are. OMG!!!! That's exactly what I say, all the time!! When I think back on my first love, I remember the excitement, the romance, the butterflies, but those things are not for "the long haul."

Just my own opinion. No it's not because I agree 100%

I often avoid leaving opinions on my flist's personal journals about this. I got slammed a few times for not being a Bangel shipper. So now I just stick to my small corner of the Spuffy world and am much happier. Glad to find out you agree with my take on them. Makes it easier to voice an opinion.

I also don't voice my Spuffy love, unless I feel it's a safe environment to do so. Plus I avoid boards like the plague. I've heard some of the Bangel shippers can be very intense when it comes to their OTP.

Intense is a mild word for it. Once a Bangel shipper blasted me because I made a comment that it was a teenage love. She came back and listed all her friends that fell in love in high school and got married. Then she busted her own idea by saying none of them were still together.

Who we are in our teens are not who we are later in life. If both people grow together it may work. Most people change and grow apart. There are a few would beat the odds, but not many.

Sarah's opinion, Freddie's opinion and my opinion

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