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[kuda]

The 25 Worst Seasons of Great TV Shows

23. Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Season 6
(UPN; October 2, 2001 - May 21, 2002)

 

Buffy's fifth season finale was one for the record books, but the events of that excellent
episode created some serious problems its following season. The result was a sixth
run that didn't quite fit the tone of a show that had built its reputation on its ability to shift
focus from deeply earnest scenes to more light-hearted moments. Yes, Buffy's weakest
season ended up earning more critical accolades than most of the other low points on
this list, but fans still feel some discomfort with its somber events.

 www.complex.com/pop-culture/2013/01/25-worst-seasons-great-tv-shows/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-season-6

Now everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I am tired of how some sites are down on
Season Six and Seven of BTVS. I think Season Six was amazing in how it handled life
changes of the characters. Depression is a fact of life. Many fans of the show found
Buffy's depression a bonding moment. She was so powerful, but deep down, she was
just one of us. Flawed and scared. Willow had her own arc of finding a way to deal with
her power as a witch and how her actions affected those she cared about in life. Xander
made grown up plans and then freaked out breaking Anya's heart. Giles left, came back
and left again. Spike finally got his crumb and his heart broken as well. Dawn came into
her own as a person. Season Six wasn't weak to me.

I find it interesting that this article didn't include Season Four of Angel. That was a horrible
mess. Cordy sleeping with Conner???? There isn't enough brain bleach in the world to get
rid of that image. Also the photo this site used for BTVS isn't from Season Six, it's from Season
Seven. Makes me wonder if the writer of the article isn't a Bangel fan and it colored their opinion.

Comments

[kudagirl.livejournal.com]

Massive hugs. I watched BTVS and Angel both out of order. I didn't watch when it was a regular show, but after both of them went off the air. I think Cordy would have made a great Big Bad. Sadly, her pregnancy put a hold on that. I did love seeing Gina playing Jasmine. It was just the Cordy/Conner sex thing that bothered me. Cordy had been like a mother to Conner the baby. Then to see her rolling around with him in bed...Icky.

I still hate they killed Ianto, Owen and Tosh. I loved all of them. Hated Gwen. I know, I know...she is a bad ass bitch so you love her. I just can't stand her. LOL! The story belongs to the writers. We have to accept what they give us. Fan fiction is our payback. We can write what we want the characters to have.

[lifefailsme.livejournal.com]

She was signed into a contract on a TV show and [unsure of the specifics but from what I read a long time ago] when she mentioned trying for a baby Joss asked her to please put it on hold until season 4 was almost done or done cos he had a big arc in mind and she got preggers anyway, well I totally understood Joss getting pissy and writing her plot line like he did. Also when she came back for that ep in Season 5 for me she was just not the Cordy I knew at all but this wise, all knowing and understanding of all issues character that I didn't recognise.

My opinions on the Buffy and Angel shows are not popular in fandom, I get and accept that


Well I dunno, I like Gwen not cos she is bad ass, because she is flawed and real, screws up and makes mistakes [like Amy did kissing Eleven and coming onto him but later realising omgoodness it's Rory I love how stupid of me] she seemed, to me anyway, to be the heart of the team and the moral compass that Jack sometimes needed.


I never got Ianto turning gay for Jack and while I liked their relationship I was not much invested in it. How-the-everish I too did not like RTD's obsession with killing the entire bloody team! I liked Tosh and Owen too. I dont think RTD is cut out for writing serials, he seems much more suited to short dramas with a definitive ending.


I also realise that my opinions on TW are not popular in fandom either lol

[kudagirl.livejournal.com]

I hated that they chose to kill off the characters I liked, but I still watched the "American" Torchwood. I get that writers kill of characters or have them do horrible things. That's part of the story, but I still miss the characters. I understood Ianto and Jack. I don't think it was really him turning gay. I think Ianto fell for Jack. It didn't matter if Jack was Jack or Jacqueline, it was the person that Ianto loved.

Yes, Charisma got pregnant without telling Joss. He had written the whole season around her being the big bad. It screwed up his story. Can't blame him for being ticked off. It cause problems between them for years. When Charisma came back for the 100th episode, she told them she would only come back if she didn't die. They still had her die and that upset her. Read about that lately. She had wanted to work on Dr Horrible, but Joss went with Felicia instead. She said they have made up since then. Actors have to be careful not to tick off people they would like to work with down the road.

Heck, I don't care who agrees with me or not about fandom. I like what I like and I ignore the rest.

[lifefailsme.livejournal.com]

yeah bad turn of phrase, I just meant nothing was mentioned about him fancying Jack or being bi sexual at all and then within 1 episode they were dating, I was all huh? But that's not to say I didn't like their relationship in the show cos that was good.

The American Torchwood imho was way too dark to get a bigger following in Mericaland I think, dunno tho I could be wrong.

When you are the lead female in a TV show like that I think it is a commitment you have to honour and she kinda deserved writing out of it cos I get his irk about it.

Wait, so why did she do the episode if she said she wouldn't if her character died?

Also I absolutely *love* Spike but season 5 was not that great for me, I didn't like they got rid of Lilah, didn't like the whole plot with Lindsey at all, didn't like Gunn turning a full 180, I loved Illyria tho, I dunno it just lost its Angel-ness for me that season. *shrug*

Also... Despite what the actors said in interviews and on the DVD extras I felt the ending they gave us totally cheated me as a fan, I realise Joss didnt have long to cobble together a proper ending to the show but I felt what he came up with was bloody awful, I didn't think it was "a perfect ending" as DB said, I hated it... But that could be connected to the fact that I had only just started downloading episodes of shows and didn't look up spoilers so honestly didn't realise that was the last one, the following week I was looking to gak it but it was not there, so I googled and was *gutted* that that ending was the for real ending.

[kudagirl.livejournal.com]

I think there were hints of Jack and Ianto flirting from the beginning. Maybe I might see subtext you didn't.

Charisma said she was promised she wouldn't die and then they changed it on her. I thought it was well written. It made sense that she came back to get him back on track. It would have been odd for her to come back and they would have had to face the whole Conner issue.

I think they knew there would be comics to follow so the ending made sense to them. James said they were out of money so they just dumped tons of water on them.

The last season was more like a buddy film than Angel being the big hero and all. The Girl In Question might have been the way the next season would have flowed if they hadn't been cancelled. If there had been another season, Amy would have played both Illyria and Fred again. They wanted to either bring Fred back or have Illyria change into her for different plot reasons. One of the writers on Angel said they planned for Buffy to return and take Spike off with her. So they did plan on more, but the network cancelled them.

[lifefailsme.livejournal.com]

I know my opinions are sucky and not at all popular in fandom, so I hope I didnt piss you off or anything.

[spikesjojo.livejournal.com]

I think your opinions are gold. Not that I agree with all of them, but that would makes us pod people and I am claustrophobic. I also can't stand the end of Angel. To begin with, didn't Spike just die in order to prevent a huge influx of demon s destroying the world? But then Angel decides to take a stand and invite a huge bunch of demons to invade LA in order to die as heroes.

Wha-huh?

[lifefailsme.livejournal.com]

yeah! It was strange and not good imho. I would have honestly accepted an ending where he is at his desk looking out over LA through the necro-tempered glass and someone [I'd like Illyria] asks from behind him, "So what do we do now?" He looked all thinky and said, "We carry on... Like we always have." camera zooms from his face, to through the window, pulls back until the entire building is in the shot and fade to black; honestly that would have been better than what they vomited at us and when all the actors were saying "Perfect!" "The right ending for Angel." I was almost spitting feathers with frustration cos I loathed it that much lol.

[red-satin-doll.livejournal.com]

Charisma said she was promised she wouldn't die and then they changed it on her.

And unless it's hearsay (and I read it on the internet so it could well be), they did something similar to Robia La Morte as well, who had become a born-again Christian after she'd been dropped from btvS, and asked not to come back as something "evil" - and they made her The First Evil in Amends.

I wasn't there in either case, and I understand honoring one's contract (I also know that no birth control methods are 100%), but I don't think Joss' only option is to be "pissy". He can be a better man about it, and there are enough stories about him being childish and petty as a boss to make me shudder. He may be great 98% but it's those few other instances when he shows a genuine mean streak, which he then jokes about. Cruelty is not funny.